How to get to Italy using your Qantas, Velocity, Asia miles or KrisFlyer points/miles

Italy and Australia have a number of services that connect in one-stop through Asia or the Middle East, operated by a range of airlines that are relatively redeem frequent flyer points with with the major programs in Australia – Qantas Points, Velocity Points, KrisFlyer miles and Asia miles.

This guide covers your options for redeeming your points for one-stop flights to Milan and Rome primarily, and Venice and Bologna as alternatives, factoring in KrisFlyer’s updated pricing and the latest frequent flyer partner relationships.

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Note that all Qantas Point redemptions in this guide are set to increase by 18 September 2019. Read more about the upcoming changes here.

Quick links

• Summary – which program to aim for ↓
• Using Qantas Points for Qantas / Emirates ↓
• Using Qantas Points or Asia miles for Cathay Pacific / Qatar / others ↓
• Using Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer miles for Singapore Airlines ↓
• Using Velocity points for Etihad Airways or Singapore Airlines ↓

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Summary – Which frequent flyer program / currency to aim for

Australia to Italy is a particularly tricky destination to produce a comparison table, given that more southern Italian cities like Rome can price more cheaply than those in the North, while Perth and sometimes Adelaide too can be close enough to intermediary hubs to reduce the cost further.

However – picking Sydney & Melbourne to Milan as an example does allow a solid comparison:

In a point-per-point comparison, due to the changes to the Cathay loyalty program, it is now the cheapest in terms of pricing.

In a perfect world where everyone has lots of points/miles to redeem, you’re not going to go too far wrong targeting either Cathay or KrisFlyer for your redemptions.

KrisFlyer also generally has good redemption availability in Business and First Class, making it easier to score those Business or First Class seats in the first place.

Note: KrisFlyer announced changes coming into effect from 24 January 2019, which include an across-the-board increase in the number of miles required for premium cabin redemptions.

If you are planning on earning points in volume from your credit card spend, doing so in a flexible program that can transfer to Asia miles, KrisFlyer or Velocity would be key – if you can plan ahead.

That said, if you have a pile of Qantas Points that you’re already sitting on, then you’ll clearly want to aim for a redemption with Emirates or Qantas themselves to take advantage of their cheaper points pricing.

Emirates also has the widest route network of flights into Italy compared in this guide, servicing Venice, Bologna, Rome and Milan.

For Velocity, the points needed if transferring to either Krisflyer or Etihad Guest is now almost the same. However, due to Velocity’s redemption surcharge for Etihad flights, the best value is still via KrisFlyer and redeeming them for travel on Singapore Airlines.

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Using Qantas Points to get to Italy with Emirates and oneworld partner airlines

Qantas Points are best used with Qantas or Emirates for flights to Europe to achieve most value – redeeming for oneworld partner airlines is more expensive.

The Qantas network is now only to Dubai as most of you would already know, with Emirates operating connecting flights beyond Dubai to Europe (and of course to Dubai from Australia too).

Emirates fly to Milan, Venice, Bologna, and Rome from their Dubai hub. A short drive or train journey from Italy is another Emirates destination – Geneva, in Switzerland.

Here’s how the Qantas Points pricing comes out:

So there’s some fairly common pricing across most Australian cities, although Perth, Adelaide and Rome’s slightly shorter flight distances mean that the redemption cost in Qantas Points is lower for those cities.

Qantas fly a Premium Economy cabin to Dubai, but Emirates don’t, so if you’re not stopping over in Dubai you’ll be charged for the higher cabin all the way to your destination.

If you do stopover in Dubai (regardless of Premium Economy travel) then the cost in Qantas Points becomes the cost of the flight to Dubai, plus the flight to Italy.

I’d suggest only trying to use a Qantas Premium Economy redemption as part of an Australia to Italy flight if that’s the only cabin with availability, as otherwise it will be more expensive in terms of points.

Qantas’ pricing is not particularly competitive compared to the competition, but it has Emirates Italian route network going for it, along with generally good points redemption availability on Emirates’ flights between Dubai and Sydney.

Finally, also expect to pay upwards of $600 in taxes and fees along with the points.

Finding availability on Qantas’ own flights between Sydney/Melbourne and Dubai can be tricky in Business and First Class, but Emirates can have slightly better availability on this route, and the timing of Emirates’ flights often connects better than with Qantas’ flights to other Emirates flights into Europe.

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Using Qantas Points or Asia miles to get to Italy with Qatar Airways, Cathay Pacific and other oneworld partner airlines

Qantas Points can also be used for oneworld partner airlines, and when using frequent flyer points for flights to Italy, this would be Qatar Airways and Cathay Pacific as the primary one stop options.

The same is true for Cathay Pacific’s Cathay program, which has cheaper pricing than when redeeming Qantas Points, for the same routes.

Cathay is a partner of many credit card rewards programs which are more flexible than earning Qantas Points directly. More on flexible points programs here.

Here are the route options when travelling with Qatar:

With Cathay Pacific:

Here’s how pricing for Qantas Points and Asia miles for flights to Italy comes out:

To get the total cost for your preferred (or more likely, available) city pair just add the Australia – Hong Kong / Doha and the Hong Kong / Doha to Italy flights together.

For example, Sydney to Venice in Business Class with Qatar Airways via Doha comes in at 157,000 Qantas Points one way, or 120,000 Asia miles one way / 240,000 Asia miles return.

Qatar A380 First Class is also available using Asia miles or Qantas Points.

Both Cathay and Qantas Frequent Flyer will charge you for the sum of both flights (in points) regardless of whether you have a stopover, so adding a stopover in Doha or Hong Kong would effectively be free.

The other key point to note is that Cathay charges significantly fewer points for a return trip than for two one ways. Worth bearing in mind if you have enough points to make a return booking with them.

One downside to Cathay loyalty program? If you want to book a First Class flight, but First Class isn’t available between Doha and Italy with Qatar, then you’ll still be charged as if you travelled the whole distance in First Class. Often from Sydney (and probably from Melbourne in future too) there is First Class award availability with Qatar, but not Business – meaning the cost jumps to 180,000 Asia miles one way even though only 2/3 of your trip is at the front of the plane.

Alternative oneworld option – British Airways from London

The other option for both Qantas Points and Asia miles is to fly into Italy with British Airways after getting yourself to London with BA, Qantas, Cathay Pacific, Qatar, Malaysia Airlines etc.

That’s a little out of scope for this post – although some of the pricing to Milan in the comparison table is valid for flights into London, and then hopping on a BA flight to Amalfi coast, Bari, Bologna, Florence, Genoa, Milan, Naples, Pisa, Rome, Sardinia, Sicily, Sorrento, Turin, Venice or Verona. Phew.

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Using Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer miles to get to Italy with Singapore Airlines or Star Alliance partners

KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines frequent flyer program, is a partner of most Australian credit card rewards programs as well as being hooked up with Velocity Frequent Flyer as a transfer partner.

Singapore Airlines fly to Rome and Milan from, funnily enough, Singapore. KrisFlyer offers great value redemptions on Singapore Airlines flights.

Here’s the costs for a redemption to Rome or Milan (with no stopover in Singapore) from the cities Singapore Airlines services in Australia in both KrisFlyer miles and Velocity points, if transferred to KrisFlyer.

All figures above have been updated with KrisFlyer pricing changes effective 16 April 2019.

Using Velocity Points to get to Italy with Velocity Frequent Flyer partners

The two key airline partners for Velocity Frequent Flyer for travel to Europe are Singapore Airlines and Etihad.

As highlighted above, the first option to consider is transferring your Velocity Points to KrisFlyer, to then redeem directly with that program.

Alternatively, you can redeem your Velocity Points through Velocity for travel on Etihad – I did this last year to fly from Geneva (OK, not in Italy, but close) to Sydney via Abu Dhabi in First Class.

Etihad also fly to Rome and Milan, and the pricing for these flights is simple – from Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane it’s 139,000 Velocity Points for Business Class and 203,000 for First Class.

Etihad’s redemption charges are fairly expensive though, when using Velocity Points – $205 USD in Business Class and $300 USD in First Class, with the killer being that the charge applies per flight sector, not per booking.

This means that a two-segment flight from Australia to Italy via Singapore would cost an extra $410 USD for Business and $600 USD in First, and that’s just one-way.

From Perth to Rome only, it’s 121,000 Velocity Points in Business Class and 177,000 in First Class.

Once again, full taxes and fees are passed on by Velocity, so you’ll need to budget for those – however they are usually not as hefty as those imposed by Qantas Frequent Flyer and Cathay.

Note that Perth loses Etihad’s service to Abu Dhabi from October 2018.

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Aim for Premium Economy, Business or First Class flights

As usual you should aim for Premium Economy or higher cabin redemptions to get most value from your points.

All of the mainstream frequent flyer programs in Australia pass on fuel surcharges and taxes on points redemption bookings, which wipes out most of the value of using points if booked in Economy – the $$ copayment that comes with a points redemption is just too high to get good value from the points you use as well.

Sidenote – Skiing in the Dolomites

One of my ‘things’ is skiing… I’ve skied since I was a kid, took a trip to ski in Japan earlier this year, and have spent time skiing in California, New Zealand, France – and an extended stint as a ski guide in Italy. I’m hoping to go back soon.

Dolomites Ski Tours are an Australian ski business who have been operating in the Italian Dolomites for the last 30 years and who I’ve spent many weeks ski guiding with.

The Dolomites has a vast range of connected towns and resorts, with spectacular skiing, scenery and food. I’d thoroughly recommend the skiing and Dolomites Ski Tours if this is your thing too. Tell them I sent you!

Community Comments

1. Keith, the pricing for Asia Miles is wrong

   Australia to Europe is not priced as Aust-Hkg + Hkg-Europe nor is it Aust-Doha + Doha-Europe. It is simply Aust-Europe irrespective whether you have a stopover or not. So it is 110k one way, or 175k return in J (not 130/225 you’ve mentioned)

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   1. Hey Jackson – we might possibly both be right. Bear with me.

      Asia Miles pricing is not exactly simple. I usually look for one way awards when making bookings for myself, simply because often I can’t get returns for the itineraries I want, even though there is more value with Asia Miles there.

      The Asia Miles program terms have this condition:

      For one-way Flight Award, the sum of the total sectors to be flown will count for redemption purposes. In such circumstances, only one en route stopover is allowed.

      This has been my experience when performing one way searches online, e.g. SYD-HKG-SFO – this has priced at the next highest distance band than SYD-SFO direct.

      Then the terms also state:

      For Flight Award on single or dual carriers, the Mileage Credits requirement are based on the one-way actual miles between the origin airport and destination airport.

      The above comes before the term about one way pricing in the Asia Miles terms.

      So… that leads me to think my one way pricing is right (summing the one way sectors), but my return pricing is incorrect. Thoughts?

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2. Great article Keith! I have to say though it’s quite disappointing Krisflyer aren’t offering the 15% discount when you book online anymore. That and the increase in redemptions is approx a 28% increase for redemption bookings. It’s a shame as this is what made Krisflyer so appealing.

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3. regarding the Qantas / Emirates from Adel – Rome wherein you listed 112,00 qff points for oneway business class. I just checked on qantas ff “points or pay” page and the points being quoted just for economy well in excess of the 112,000 you had for business. I’m new to this but clearly I am looking in the wrong place?
   PS I ve signed up on a couple of credit cards thanks to your pages and they were great. Cant understand why there would be such a discrepancy between what i found and what you report, be grateful on being pointed to a booking website page that shows these redemption offer that you post

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   1. Hey Chris,
      You need to look at the “Classic Flight Rewards” option instead of the points or money option. The latter prices the awards very differently, which is why the points values will be way off.

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4. Great reveiw – good comparison
   Obviously taxes involved are always part of the decision but for me Krisflyer has always been the best and easiest to use – most availability (and a great product).
   A side note – in relation to Italy travel. We booked return first class tix with Singapore (195,500 miles each) for August, but choose to fly in and out of Zurich instead of Milan. Reasons being it allows you to get access to Suites on A380 (rather than just first class seat), and Ive found availability for Zurich much better (in business and first) than Milan route – just costs a scenic train ride from Zurich to Milan (well worth it)

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5. How are you getting 68000 points on Krisflyer to Rome from Melbourne? I checked, and with the discount it’s the same price as Milan (80,750+ fees)?

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   1. This has increased since this article was written as Singapore slightly devalued their award chart a few weeks ago, specifically for a handful of few European destinations – including Rome. We’ll get around to updating the older guides in due course where needed.

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6. Especially for Qantas/Emirates flights, Milan Malpensa Airport (MXP) is the better hub to arrive/depart Italy from. Rome (FCO) is still using the Alitalia Giotto Lounge for eligible Emirates travellers, and it’s sub-par to the standard Emirates own International Lounges (MXP has an open Emirates owned lounge). MXP is also not as convoluted as FCO for travellers, and is a little better set up.

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7. Great article with lots of options and points listed out. The question this brings up for me though is availability, with so many options are there any that would be easier to obtain or are they all basically as easy or difficult based on the airline.

   Thx

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   1. It’s a hard one to generalise as it’s quite dependent on when you book and when you’re planning to travel.
      General rules are:
      Cathay open up seats for booking as soon as the calendar opens (11 months I think) and then again close to departure
      Qantas are generally only when the calendar opens (353 days)
      Emirates tend to have OK availability off and on, although I think the Venice route is tight
      Qatar from Doha to Australia is generally OK, not sure about Venice – Doha
      Etihad is one of the better airlines for availability with several seats available on and off, here and there, throughout the year

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8. Good article but the only comment could I suggest you place the estimate taxes next to the cost of the number of frequent flyer points to provide more perspective on the Total cost of the flight

   Cheers

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