How to get to Italy using your Qantas, Velocity, Asia Miles or KrisFlyer points/miles

GUIDE: Using Points
DIFFICULTY: Intermediate
TIME TO READ: 8 minutes
POSTED: March 30, 2017
UPDATED: July 21, 2018
LOYALTY PROGRAMS: Qantas Frequent Flyer, Velocity Frequent Flyer, Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer, Cathay Pacific Asia Miles, Etihad Guest
STATUS: Some changes to the Asia Miles program are coming into effect from 22 June 2018 onwards

Italy and Australia have a number of services that connect in one-stop through Asia or the Middle East, operated by a range of airlines that are relatively redeem frequent flyer points with with the major programs in Australia – Qantas Points, Velocity Points, KrisFlyer Miles and Asia Miles.

This guide covers your options for redeeming your points for one-stop flights to Milan and Rome primarily, and Venice and Bologna as alternatives, factoring in KrisFlyer’s updated pricing and the latest frequent flyer partner relationships.


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Summary – Which frequent flyer program / currency to aim for

Australia to Italy is a particularly tricky destination to produce a comparison table, given that more southern Italian cities like Rome can price more cheaply than those in the North, while Perth and sometimes Adelaide too can be close enough to intermediary hubs to reduce the cost further.

However – picking Sydney & Melbourne to Milan as an example does allow a solid comparison:

Sydney / Melbourne to MilanPoints CurrencyBusiness ClassFirst ClassAirline / Route
Emirates / Qantas Partner AwardQantas Points128,000192,000Qantas / Emirates via Dubai
Qantas oneworld Classic AwardQantas Points157,000229,000Cathay / Qatar via HK or Doha
Asia Miles one wayAsia Miles85,000125,000Cathay Pacific via HK
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyerKrisFlyer Miles105,000148,000Singapore Airlines via Singapore
KrisFlyer transferred from VelocityVelocity Points141,750199,800Singapore Airlines via Singapore
Etihad Guest - Velocity RedemptionVelocity Points139,000203,000Etihad Airways via Abu Dhabi

In a point-per-point comparison, due to the changes to the Asia Miles program, it is now the cheapest in terms of pricing.

In a perfect world where everyone has lots of points/miles to redeem, you’re not going to go too far wrong targeting either Asia Miles or KrisFlyer for your redemptions.

KrisFlyer also generally has good redemption availability in Business and First Class, making it easier to score those Business or First Class seats in the first place.

If you are planning on earning points in volume from your credit card spend, doing so in a flexible program that can transfer to Asia Miles, KrisFlyer or Velocity would be key – if you can plan ahead.

That said, if you have a pile of Qantas Points that you’re already sitting on, then you’ll clearly want to aim for a redemption with Emirates or Qantas themselves to take advantage of their cheaper points pricing.

Emirates also has the widest route network of flights into Italy compared in this guide, servicing Venice, Bologna, Rome and Milan.

For Velocity, the points needed if transferring to either Krisflyer or Etihad Guest is now almost the same. However, due to Velocity’s redemption surcharge for Etihad flights, the best value is still via KrisFlyer and redeeming them for travel on Singapore Airlines.


Using Qantas Points to get to Italy with Emirates and oneworld partner airlines

Qantas Points are best used with Qantas or Emirates for flights to Europe to achieve most value – redeeming for oneworld partner airlines is more expensive.

The Qantas network is now only to Dubai as most of you would already know, with Emirates operating connecting flights beyond Dubai to Europe (and of course to Dubai from Australia too).

Emirates fly to Milan, Venice, Bologna, and Rome from their Dubai hub. A short drive or train journey from Italy is another Emirates destination – Geneva, in Switzerland.

Qantas Emirates NZ to Italy

Here’s how the Qantas Points pricing comes out:

OriginDestinationClassPoints Needed (one way)
Sydney, Melbourne, BrisbaneAll Italian citiesBusiness Class128000
AdelaideBologna, Venice, MilanBusiness Class128000
AdelaideRomeBusiness Class112000
PerthBologna, Venice, MilanBusiness Class112000
PerthRomeBusiness Class96000
Sydney, Melbourne, BrisbaneAll Italian citiesFirst Class192000
AdelaideBologna, Venice, MilanFirst Class192000
AdelaideRomeFirst Class168000
PerthBologna, Venice, MilanFirst Class168000
PerthRomeFirst Class144000
Dubai Stopover Options
Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, AdelaideDubaiBusiness Class96000
PerthDubaiBusiness Class72000
DubaiAll Italian citiesBusiness Class50000
Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, AdelaideDubaiFirst Class144000
PerthDubaiFirst Class108000
DubaiAll Italian citiesFirst Class75000
Sydney, MelbourneDubaiQantas Premium Economy72000

So there’s some fairly common pricing across most Australian cities, although Perth, Adelaide and Rome’s slightly shorter flight distances mean that the redemption cost in Qantas Points is lower for those cities.

Qantas fly a Premium Economy cabin to Dubai, but Emirates don’t, so if you’re not stopping over in Dubai you’ll be charged for the higher cabin all the way to your destination.

If you do stopover in Dubai (regardless of Premium Economy travel) then the cost in Qantas Points becomes the cost of the flight to Dubai, plus the flight to Italy.

I’d suggest only trying to use a Qantas Premium Economy redemption as part of an Australia to Italy flight if that’s the only cabin with availability, as otherwise it will be more expensive in terms of points.

Qantas’ pricing is not particularly competitive compared to the competition, but it has Emirates Italian route network going for it, along with generally good points redemption availability on Emirates’ flights between Dubai and Sydney.

Finally, also expect to pay upwards of $600 in taxes and fees along with the points.

Finding availability on Qantas’ own flights between Sydney/Melbourne and Dubai can be tricky in Business and First Class, but Emirates can have slightly better availability on this route, and the timing of Emirates’ flights often connects better than with Qantas’ flights to other Emirates flights into Europe.


Using Qantas Points or Asia Miles to get to Italy with Qatar Airways, Cathay Pacific and other oneworld partner airlines

Qantas Points can also be used for oneworld partner airlines, and when using frequent flyer points for flights to Italy, this would be Qatar Airways and Cathay Pacific as the primary one stop options.

The same is true for Cathay Pacific’s Asia Miles program, which has cheaper pricing than when redeeming Qantas Points, for the same routes.

Asia Miles is a partner of many credit card rewards programs which are more flexible than earning Qantas Points directly. More on flexible points programs here.

Here are the route options when travelling with Qatar:

Qatar Australia to Italy

With Cathay Pacific:

Cathay Pacific Australia to Italy

Here’s how pricing for Qantas Points and Asia Miles for flights to Italy comes out:

OriginDestinationPremium EconomyBusiness ClassFirst ClassPremium EconomyBusiness ClassFirst Class
With Cathay Pacific:Qantas PointsAsia Miles (return miles in brackets)
Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, PerthHong Kong52500650009500030000 (60000)45000 (90000)70000 (140000)
CairnsHong Kong4200053000-30000 (60000)45000 (90000)70000 (140000)
Hong KongRome630007800011400040000 (80000)65000 (130000)100000 (200000)
Hong KongMilan750009200013400040000 (80000)65000 (130000)100000 (200000)
With Qatar Airways:
SydneyDoha84000104000-60000 (120000)90000 (180000)135000 (270000)
Melbourne, AdelaideDoha84000104000--70000 (140000)110000 (220000)
DohaMilan, Rome, Venice420005300078000-30000 (60000)45000 (90000)

To get the total cost for your preferred (or more likely, available) city pair just add the Australia – Hong Kong / Doha and the Hong Kong / Doha to Italy flights together.

For example, Sydney to Venice in Business Class with Qatar Airways via Doha comes in at 157,000 Qantas Points one way, or 120,000 Asia Miles one way / 240,000 Asia Miles return.

Qatar A380 First Class is also available using Asia Miles or Qantas Points.

Both Asia Miles and Qantas Frequent Flyer will charge you for the sum of both flights (in points) regardless of whether you have a stopover, so adding a stopover in Doha or Hong Kong would effectively be free.

The other key point to note is that Asia Miles charges significantly fewer points for a return trip than for two one ways. Worth bearing in mind if you have enough points to make a return booking with them.

One downside to Asia Miles? If you want to book a First Class flight, but First Class isn’t available between Doha and Italy with Qatar, then you’ll still be charged as if you travelled the whole distance in First Class. Often from Sydney (and probably from Melbourne in future too) there is First Class award availability with Qatar, but not Business – meaning the cost jumps to 180,000 Asia Miles one way even though only 2/3 of your trip is at the front of the plane.

Alternative oneworld option – British Airways from London

The other option for both Qantas Points and Asia Miles is to fly into Italy with British Airways after getting yourself to London with BA, Qantas, Cathay Pacific, Qatar, Malaysia Airlines etc.

That’s a little out of scope for this post – although some of the pricing to Milan in the comparison table is valid for flights into London, and then hopping on a BA flight to Amalfi coast, Bari, Bologna, Florence, Genoa, Milan, Naples, Pisa, Rome, Sardinia, Sicily, Sorrento, Turin, Venice or Verona. Phew.


Using Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer miles to get to Italy with Singapore Airlines or Star Alliance partners

KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines frequent flyer program, is a partner of most Australian credit card rewards programs as well as being hooked up with Velocity Frequent Flyer as a transfer partner.

Singapore Airlines fly to Rome and Milan from, funnily enough, Singapore. KrisFlyer offers great value redemptions on Singapore Airlines flights.

Singapore Airlines Australia to Italy

Here’s the costs for a redemption to Rome or Milan (with no stopover in Singapore) from the cities Singapore Airlines services in Australia in both KrisFlyer miles and Velocity points, if transferred to KrisFlyer.

OriginKrisFlyer Miles Velocity Points to KrisFlyer 
Business ClassFirst ClassBusiness ClassFirst Class
Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Cairns105,000148,000141,750199,800
Perth, Darwin95,000128,000128,250172,800

All figures above have been updated with KrisFlyer pricing changes effective 23 March 2017.

Using Velocity Points to get to Italy with Velocity Frequent Flyer partners

The two key airline partners for Velocity Frequent Flyer for travel to Europe are Singapore Airlines and Etihad.

As highlighted above, the first option to consider is transferring your Velocity Points to KrisFlyer, to then redeem directly with that program.

Alternatively, you can redeem your Velocity Points through Velocity for travel on Etihad – I did this last year to fly from Geneva (OK, not in Italy, but close) to Sydney via Abu Dhabi in First Class.

Etihad also fly to Rome and Milan, and the pricing for these flights is simple – from Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane it’s 139,000 Velocity Points for Business Class and 203,000 for First Class.

Etihad’s redemption charges are fairly expensive though, when using Velocity Points – $205 USD in Business Class and $300 USD in First Class, with the killer being that the charge applies per flight sector, not per booking.

This means that a two-segment flight from Australia to Italy via Singapore would cost an extra $410 USD for Business and $600 USD in First, and that’s just one-way.

Etihad Australia to Italy

From Perth to Rome only, it’s 121,000 Velocity Points in Business Class and 177,000 in First Class.

Once again, full taxes and fees are passed on by Velocity, so you’ll need to budget for those – however they are usually not as hefty as those imposed by Qantas Frequent Flyer and Asia Miles.

Note that Perth loses Etihad’s service to Abu Dhabi from October 2018.


Aim for Premium Economy, Business or First Class flights

As usual you should aim for Premium Economy or higher cabin redemptions to get most value from your points.

All of the mainstream frequent flyer programs in Australia pass on fuel surcharges and taxes on points redemption bookings, which wipes out most of the value of using points if booked in Economy – the $$ copayment that comes with a points redemption is just too high to get good value from the points you use as well.

Sidenote – Skiing in the Dolomites

One of my ‘things’ is skiing… I’ve skied since I was a kid, took a trip to ski in Japan earlier this year, and have spent time skiing in California, New Zealand, France – and an extended stint as a ski guide in Italy. I’m hoping to go back soon.

Dolomites Ski Tours are an Australian ski business who have been operating in the Italian Dolomites for the last 30 years and who I’ve spent many weeks ski guiding with.

The Dolomites has a vast range of connected towns and resorts, with spectacular skiing, scenery and food. I’d thoroughly recommend the skiing and Dolomites Ski Tours if this is your thing too. Tell them I sent you!

How to get to Italy using your Qantas, Velocity, Asia Miles or KrisFlyer points/miles was last modified: July 21st, 2018 by Keith