Reminder: Velocity tweaking Etihad and other partner redemption pricing from June 1st. Plan your redemptions!
Reminder: Velocity tweaking Etihad and other partner redemption pricing from June 1st. Plan your redemptions!
Back in February Virgin Australia’s Velocity frequent flyer programme unveiled changes to its reward seat pricing.
In summary – many Virgin Australia operated routes are going up slightly in price, while Etihad redemptions are going up significantly.
Given the changes will come into effect from June 1st, that leaves just this month to take advantage of the current pricing – and along with the current transfer bonus it’s worth planning accordingly.
The planning you can do now
If you have a significant enough Velocity points balance already in your account, or can transfer some points over to Velocity in the current 15% bonus promotion, then start considering whether your travel plans are firm enough to start researching award availability.
Given enough points, if you are planning a redemption using Velocity points for Virgin Australia Premium Economy or Business Class, or with Etihad:
Start looking for availability now and consider booking under the current pricing before May 31 if you find flights to suit
Worst case scenario, if the dates you book do not end up working out then you will have lost the $60 change fee Velocity change for cancellations and you’ll get the points back in your account
If you are planning a redemption using Velocity points for Singapore Airlines operated flights, then you’re probably going to be better off waiting until the pricing changes come through, as the price for Singapore Airlines redemptions is going down on June 1, making it more compelling to redeem through Velocity instead of transferring points to KrisFlyer thanks to Velocity’s lower taxes.
That said, if plans are firm, and the award seats needed are available now, then the pricing changes probably wouldn’t impact my preference to book sooner to lock in the seats.
Summary of the Velocity changes coming in June
Premium Economy and Business Class redemptions on Virgin Australia and it’s key partners (Delta, Virgin America, Air New Zealand) are going up a touch across the board, both for domestic and international routes
Etihad premium cabin long-haul redemptions are also going to be more expensive, while Singapore Airlines redemptions through Velocity are coming down in price.
Note that Velocity said that this will be the first time in over five years the programme has made changes, and it has given Velocity members three months notice before the changes kick in on June 1.
Like most frequent flyer programs, the changes to pricing are constant and are to be expected – anyone looking for stability over a long-term horizon is better not playing the points game at all. After the changes are implemented I feel that the new pricing for Virgin Australia and Etihad flights are still reasonable.
An overview of the full set of Velocity changes for June 2016 onward
The glaring change from June 01 2016 is the relocation of Etihad Airways from the much cheaper Table 1 to the much dearer Table 2.
From June 01 2016, Table 1 will include Virgin Australia, Virgin Samoa, Virgin Atlantic, Delta Airlines, Virgin America, Air New Zealand (Trans-Tasman Services).
From June 02 2016, Table 2 will include Etihad Airways, Singapore Airlines, Silk Air, Air New Zealand (New Zealand domestic and long haul services only), airberlin, Hawaiian Airlines, South African Airways.
What is happening after June 01?
In addition to moving Etihad to Table 2, Velocity has also tweaked the number of points required for redemptions in Table 1 and removed First Class from table since Etihad is no longer part of Table 1.
The changes are mixed, with some Economy Class redemption seeing small declines whilst Premium Economy and Business Class reward seat prices will increase.
In Table 2, the changes are also mixed bag, with Velocity increasing the points required for shorter journeys and for longer distances, the number of points fall significantly.
How do the changes affect travellers to Europe, the US and Asia?
Let’s take a look at a few examples of popular routes redeemed by Velocity members and compare.
Virgin Australia does not fly all the way to Europe and the UK – only to Abu Dhabi, with Etihad Airways carrying you on the tail end of journey, so we cannot predict how Velocity will price the reward seat when mixed with partners.
We can assume that Velocity will continue to price the reward seat redemption as two separate awards, if you were to fly Virgin Australia from Sydney to Abu Dhabi and Etihad Airways onwards to Europe or UK.
Route
Between now to May 31 2016 (Etihad and Virgin Australia from the same Table 1)
From June 01 2016 (Etihad from Table 2 and Virgin Australia from Table 1)
Australia East Coast to London or New York
Economy: 62,000 points
Business: 125,000 points
First Class: 187,500 points
Economy: 75,000 points with Etihad
Business: 139,000 points with Etihad
First: 203,000 points with Etihad Airways
Australia East Coast to Abu Dhabi
Economy: 47,000 points
Premium: 70,500 points (Virgin Australia from Sydney)
Business: 94,000 points
First Class: 141,000 points
Economy: 56,000 points with Etihad
Economy: 44,800 with Virgin Australia
Premium: 71,700 points (Virgin Australia from Sydney)
Business: 95,500 points with Virgin Australia
Business: 104,000 points with Etihad
First: 152,000 points with Etihad
Australia West Coast to London
Economy: 55,000 points
Business: 110,000 points
First Class: 165,000 points
Economy: 65,000 points with Etihad
Business: 121,000 points with Etihad
First: 177,000 points with Etihad Airways
Australia East Coast to Los Angeles with Virgin Australia
Economy: 42,000 points with Etihad
Business: 78,000 points with Etihad
Singapore Airlines and other partners reducing in price (in Table 2)
From June 01 2016, the pricing for a majority of awards in Table 2 are falling, so this means fewer points for redemptions on Singapore Airlines.
This could provide a compelling option for Velocity members to redeem flights on Singapore Airlines using Velocity points because the fuel surcharges and taxes are lower with Velocity when compared to Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer miles programme.
Velocity members still cannot redeem First Class on Singapore Airlines and must transfer Velocity their points to KrisFlyer to redeem. Therefore, we have not included First Class in the comparison below.
Reward Seat Points Table 2 – valid for redemptions made up to 31 May 2016
Singapore Airlines, Silk Air, Air New Zealand (New Zealand domestic and long haul services only), airberlin, Hawaiian Airlines, South African Airways
Zone
One-Way Miles
Economy
Business
First
1
1-600
10,000
17,500
25,000
2
601-1,200
12,500
25,000
40,000
3
1,201-2,400
20,000
40,000
55,000
4
2,401-3,600
35,000
70,000
85,000
5
3,601-4,800
37,500
80,000
100,000
6
4,801-5,800
45,000
95,000
135,000
7
5,801-7,000
50,000
110,000
165,000
8
7,001-8,500
65,000
140,000
197,500
9
8,501-9,500
70,000
157,500
225,000
10
9,501-15,000
75,000
175,000
250,000
Reward Seat Points Table 2 – valid for redemptions made on or after 1 June 2016
Etihad Airways, Singapore Airlines, Silk Air, Air New Zealand (New Zealand domestic and long haul services only), airberlin, Hawaiian Airlines, South African Airways
Zone
One-Way Miles
Economy
Business
First
1
1-600
10,000
(+0)
18,000
(+500)
26,000
(+1,000)
2
601-1,200
14,000
(+1,500)
26,000
(+1,000)
38,000
(-2,000)
3
1,201-2,400
20,000
(+0)
38,000
(-2,000)
56,000
(+1,000)
4
2,401-3,600
28,000
(-7,000)
53,000
(-17,000)
78,000
(-7,000)
5
3,601-4,800
35,000
(-2,500)
65,000
(-15,000)
95,000
(-5,000)
6
4,801-5,800
42,000
(-3,000)
78,000
(-17,000)
114,000
(-21,000)
7
5,801-7,000
50,000
(+0)
92,000
(-18,000)
134,000
(-31,000)
8
7,001-8,500
56,000
(-9,000)
104,000
(-36,000)
152,000
(-45,500)
9
8,501-9,500
65,000
(-5,000)
121,000
(-36,500)
177,000
(-48,000)
10
9,501-15,000
75,000
(+0)
139,000
(-36,000)
203,000
(-47,000)
How do the changes affect travellers on Virgin Australia?
The changes to Table 1, which includes Virgin Australia operated flights, are generally small increases of up to around 3% for Business Class travel.
For Economy, domestic flights are going up for shorter routes from around 800 to 2,000 Velocity points. Some economy flights in the pricing table are coming down in cost, but these are mostly in the distance brackets beyond most of Virgin Australia’s domestic routes, so the real-world cost reductions are minimal.
Reward Seat Points Table 1 – valid for redemptions made up to 31 May 2016
Virgin Australia, Etihad Airways, Virgin Samoa, Virgin Atlantic, Delta Airlines, Virgin America, Air New Zealand (Trans-Tasman Services)
Zone
One-Way Miles
Economy
Premium Economy
Business
First
1
1-600
6,900
10,400
13,800
20,700
2
601-1,200
10,900
16,400
21,800
32,700
3
1,201-2,400
16,900
25,400
33,800
50,700
4
2,401-3,600
23,900
35,900
47,800
71,700
5
3,601-4,800
28,900
43,400
57,800
86,700
6
4,801-5,800
35,000
52,500
70,000
105,000
7
5,801-7,000
41,000
61,500
82,000
123,000
8
7,001-8,500
47,000
70,500
94,000
141,000
9
8,501-9,500
55,000
82,500
110,000
165,000
10
9,501-15,000
62,000
93,800
125,000
187,500
Reward Seat Points Table 1 – valid for redemptions made on or after 1 June 2016
Virgin Australia, Virgin Samoa, Virgin Atlantic, Delta Airlines, Virgin America, Air New Zealand (Trans-Tasman Services)
Zone
On-Way Miles
Economy
Premium Economy
Business
1
1-600
7,800
(+900)
11,700
(+1,300)
15,500
(+1,700)
2
601-1,200
11,800
(+900)
17,700
(+1,300)
23,500
(+1,700)
3
1,201-2,400
17,800
(+900)
26,700
(+1,300)
35,500
(+1,700)
4
2,401-3,600
22,300
(-1,600)
36,700
(+800)
49,500
(+1,700)
5
3,601-4,800
27,800
(-1,100)
44,700
(+1,300)
59,500
(+1,700)
6
4,801-5,800
34,800
(-200)
53,700
(+1,200)
71,500
(+1,500)
7
5,801-7,000
39,800
(-1,200)
62,700
(+1,200)
83,500
(+1,500)
8
7,001-8,500
44,800
(-2,200)
71,700
(+1,200)
95,500
(+1,500)
9
8,501-9,500
54,800
(-200)
83,700
(+1,200)
111,500
(+1,500)
10
9,501-15,000
59,800
(-2,700)
95,700
(+1,900)
127,500
(+2,500)
Velocity point expiry and account activity changes
Velocity is also making changes to the expiry of points, and what counts as account activity to keep your points active.
From 1 June 2016 Velocity Points will not expire provided you earn or redeem Points at least once every 24 months. Previously, the expiry period was 36 months. Any Points earned from eligible activity prior to 1 June 2016 are not affected by this change and will not expire for 36 months.
Secondly, transferring Points between family members or receiving Points from a Family Pooling relationship will no longer be considered eligible activity to prevent your Points expiring. This change will be applied retrospectively.
Summing up – what’s our take
Award table price changes are a fact of life of frequent flyer programs. While I didn’t think that Velocity would make a change soon, some changes were inevitable given:
How much Virgin has changed as an airline
How many new partners it has brought on in the last few years
How Velocity has been developed as a frequent flyer program outside of the airline’s total ownership
And the context of the industry and frequent flyer landscape as a whole.
In many cases Velocity’s award prices are slightly cheaper than the equivalent route with Qantas or it’s partners, while the increase for Etihad redemptions is in line with what we saw from American Airlines’ price changes for Etihad redemptions previously.
Community Comments
Hi guys, we have points through reward cards, how do I retrieve these points into flights?
I’ve been trying to make bookings from Singapore to Sydney over the last 3 weeks. All showing no fights when there were lots of flights just a a few days earlier. Rang Velocity and was told there are system problem and should be resolved soon. I’ve been waiting for nearly 3 weeks, still no flights showing up. Do you know the status?
I”m a little confused. When I look at redeeming my Velocity points for say Syd-LHR, the business options that come up are all around 711,000-878,600 points just for one way.
What am I missing to get the ones for 139,000?
thanks
Hi Nelson
I’m very new to this and thoroughly confused.
Is there a service anywhere in Melbourne where I can get practical and affordable advice on getting pointy end travel at blunt end prices please?
Most particularly I’d like to buy airline points (Virgin Atlantic or Kris Flyer) and jump into Singapore suites to Europe. I’ve done this before through Alpha Flight Guru, but they are getting far more expensive.
Any recommendations for a novice please?
Toby
Hi Toby,
Ive never bought points with alpha flight guru, because I buy points directly with american airlines, alaska, lifemiles.
There is plenty of information on this site that would help you understand how this all works, I self taught myself all these things. So you shouldn’t really need to pay somebody to teach you, Point Hacks has information for beginners and once you understand one program, the rest is simply to follow.
Nelson, thankyou, very helpful. Is the APD Tax included in the cost of the air ticket when you pay or is it extra, and what is it rising from to get to £584?
The APD charge is extra cost.
Although for retail airline tickets, the APD charge is built into the fare already.
People only notice the APD when they use points to book award flights and get hit with a passenger departure surcharge.
Sorry Marilyn, I forgot to add, that $1200 is usually for flights on Emirates or Qantas where the fuel surcharge is high. so it doesn’t apply here, because Velocity doesn’t charge high fuel surcharges.
Take a look at departing from Paris
France Civil Aviation Tax Domestic And International (FR) A$11.90
French International Passenger Service Charge (QX) A$41.10
French Airport Tax (FR) A$18.90
French Air Passenger Solidarity Tax (IZ) A$66.60
Versus London
United Kingdom Air Passenger Duty Apd (GB) A$278.00
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) A$79.30
Hello, how far in advance can you get Rewards seats? I am trying to get 1 business class seat to LON 02 Sep 16 and home to SYD 14 Oct using Virgin points for Etihad but can’ find anything available round that time nor on dates earlier in the year I tried to try and see how it works.
Virgin told me you just have to keep checking for the Etihad seats and they don’t know when they become available nor if they have already been taken. Information and handy hints welcome, please. Marilyn
Hi Marilyn,
Unfortunately Etihad is heavily booked out right now because everybody belonging to Velocity Frequent Flyer and American Airlines Advantage programmes are trying to get seats booked before the changes.
And the Sydney-London is one of the most coveted routes, so seats are hard to come by.
I could suggest you look at Melbourne, it would be an inconvenience, but you might have better luck. I’ve spoken to other Sydneysiders who ended up flying in/out of Brisbane and Melbourne because of better availability.
Also another thing to consider is when departing London, the UK government APD Tax to depart London from April 01, will rise to around 584 pounds ($1200 AUD) per person, just for the privilege of departing London.
It might be worthwhile to look at departing out of other European cities where you won’t get slugged a huge departure tax.
Quick question. If I book a flight before may 31 but the flight is after may 31, do the new points requirements apply? For example a flight booked for september booked in march
Hi John, the new award costs will come into effect for flights “booked” after June 01, not for flights booked before May 31.
So you can book flights beyond June 01, you can even book flights in January-May 2017, as long as you book before May 31, you will be charged the old award costs.
Ray, I believe Virgin now has a ‘top-up’ option where you might be able to purchase points, to a value 20% more than your existing accrual. Perhaps that will get you the 28K points you need.
I’ve been planning a trip with my Girlfriend to Europe Business Class on Etihad next year to see the Champions League final, and a few other games before that. Unfortunately the Final is on 3 June, so outside the booking window for the changes for the return flights.
Just checked on Virgin website and it looks like I can book one way flights with points, with no increase in points. I was planning on being there for around 6 to 8 weeks, so potentially I could book for the trip over there before the points increase and then get the return flights when they become available?
That would save me 28,000 points. Unfortunately it will still cost me 28,000 points more than I had planned.
Hi Ray,
It is possible to book your redemption prior to June 01 and make changes to the date of travel.
All redemptions made prior to June 01, you can make changes to the ticket and there will be no extra points charged if you make changes after June 01.
Usually this means only date changes are permitted, and you must continue to fly in the same class as the original booking and the departure city and destination remains the same.
This is the Q&A copied direct from Virgin, you can also call them to confirm what changes are allowed.
3. How will this impact on my current booking?
There will be no impact to any tickets issued prior to 1 June 2016. Existing prices will be honoured for any changes to these tickets that are processed on or after 1 June 2016.
Thanks for the heads up Nelson. Can you book further out than in on the Virgin Website via phone or some other way. I noticed that a lot of award flights on the last day of the booking window are already sold out (London Brisbane).
Hi Ray,
Different airlines release award seats on different dates. The Virgin Australia booking calendar ‘opens’ 330 days from the current day, so what you see on the website is what we can all book right now.
So you have to work out when you want to fly and when that 330 days window would open up, you can google Time And Date to work out when it is 330 days from your desired travel date.
And book as soon as the seats are released, because you might find that many people would be doing the same thing due to pricing changes.
Hi Woodyren,
Simply answer is yes it does.
For example.
From June 01, for business class on Singapore Airlines from Sydney to London will cost 139,000 velocity points + approx $84 in fuel surcharges and taxes.
In comparison, Singapore Airlines charges 95,000 + approx $489 in fuel surcharges and taxes.
Or 80,750 points if you booked online with 15% discount.
If you transferred Velocity points to Krisflyer, the points required is around 109,013.
So you have to weigh up whether you want to shell out 30,000 points extra and pay lower taxes of $84.
or
Save the 30,000 points by transferring to Singapore Airlines and pay $489 in surcharges.
Hi guys, we have points through reward cards, how do I retrieve these points into flights?
Also how do I see how many points per flight?
Hi Mitchell – I’d suggest heading to pointhacks.com.au/questions and submitting a question with more info about your circumstances there.
I’ve been trying to make bookings from Singapore to Sydney over the last 3 weeks. All showing no fights when there were lots of flights just a a few days earlier. Rang Velocity and was told there are system problem and should be resolved soon. I’ve been waiting for nearly 3 weeks, still no flights showing up. Do you know the status?
I”m a little confused. When I look at redeeming my Velocity points for say Syd-LHR, the business options that come up are all around 711,000-878,600 points just for one way.
What am I missing to get the ones for 139,000?
thanks
The cheaper awards are all ‘saver’ level which have more limited availability. Finding these is tricky but not impossible.
Hi Nelson
I’m very new to this and thoroughly confused.
Is there a service anywhere in Melbourne where I can get practical and affordable advice on getting pointy end travel at blunt end prices please?
Most particularly I’d like to buy airline points (Virgin Atlantic or Kris Flyer) and jump into Singapore suites to Europe. I’ve done this before through Alpha Flight Guru, but they are getting far more expensive.
Any recommendations for a novice please?
Toby
Hi Toby,
Ive never bought points with alpha flight guru, because I buy points directly with american airlines, alaska, lifemiles.
There is plenty of information on this site that would help you understand how this all works, I self taught myself all these things. So you shouldn’t really need to pay somebody to teach you, Point Hacks has information for beginners and once you understand one program, the rest is simply to follow.
Nelson, most helpful. Regards, Marilyn
Nelson, thankyou, very helpful. Is the APD Tax included in the cost of the air ticket when you pay or is it extra, and what is it rising from to get to £584?
Hi Marilyn, There is an article here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/air-passenger-duty-cut-what-does-it-mean-for-my-family-holiday-9901217.html
The APD charge is extra cost.
Although for retail airline tickets, the APD charge is built into the fare already.
People only notice the APD when they use points to book award flights and get hit with a passenger departure surcharge.
Sorry Marilyn, I forgot to add, that $1200 is usually for flights on Emirates or Qantas where the fuel surcharge is high. so it doesn’t apply here, because Velocity doesn’t charge high fuel surcharges.
Take a look at departing from Paris
France Civil Aviation Tax Domestic And International (FR) A$11.90
French International Passenger Service Charge (QX) A$41.10
French Airport Tax (FR) A$18.90
French Air Passenger Solidarity Tax (IZ) A$66.60
Versus London
United Kingdom Air Passenger Duty Apd (GB) A$278.00
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) A$79.30
Hello, how far in advance can you get Rewards seats? I am trying to get 1 business class seat to LON 02 Sep 16 and home to SYD 14 Oct using Virgin points for Etihad but can’ find anything available round that time nor on dates earlier in the year I tried to try and see how it works.
Virgin told me you just have to keep checking for the Etihad seats and they don’t know when they become available nor if they have already been taken. Information and handy hints welcome, please. Marilyn
Hi Marilyn,
Unfortunately Etihad is heavily booked out right now because everybody belonging to Velocity Frequent Flyer and American Airlines Advantage programmes are trying to get seats booked before the changes.
And the Sydney-London is one of the most coveted routes, so seats are hard to come by.
I could suggest you look at Melbourne, it would be an inconvenience, but you might have better luck. I’ve spoken to other Sydneysiders who ended up flying in/out of Brisbane and Melbourne because of better availability.
Also another thing to consider is when departing London, the UK government APD Tax to depart London from April 01, will rise to around 584 pounds ($1200 AUD) per person, just for the privilege of departing London.
It might be worthwhile to look at departing out of other European cities where you won’t get slugged a huge departure tax.
Thanks Nelson, that’s good news for me.
You’re welcome
Hi,
Quick question. If I book a flight before may 31 but the flight is after may 31, do the new points requirements apply? For example a flight booked for september booked in march
Hi John, the new award costs will come into effect for flights “booked” after June 01, not for flights booked before May 31.
So you can book flights beyond June 01, you can even book flights in January-May 2017, as long as you book before May 31, you will be charged the old award costs.
Ray, I believe Virgin now has a ‘top-up’ option where you might be able to purchase points, to a value 20% more than your existing accrual. Perhaps that will get you the 28K points you need.
Thanks Nelson,
I’ve been planning a trip with my Girlfriend to Europe Business Class on Etihad next year to see the Champions League final, and a few other games before that. Unfortunately the Final is on 3 June, so outside the booking window for the changes for the return flights.
Just checked on Virgin website and it looks like I can book one way flights with points, with no increase in points. I was planning on being there for around 6 to 8 weeks, so potentially I could book for the trip over there before the points increase and then get the return flights when they become available?
That would save me 28,000 points. Unfortunately it will still cost me 28,000 points more than I had planned.
Hi Ray,
It is possible to book your redemption prior to June 01 and make changes to the date of travel.
All redemptions made prior to June 01, you can make changes to the ticket and there will be no extra points charged if you make changes after June 01.
Usually this means only date changes are permitted, and you must continue to fly in the same class as the original booking and the departure city and destination remains the same.
This is the Q&A copied direct from Virgin, you can also call them to confirm what changes are allowed.
3. How will this impact on my current booking?
There will be no impact to any tickets issued prior to 1 June 2016. Existing prices will be honoured for any changes to these tickets that are processed on or after 1 June 2016.
Thanks for the heads up Nelson. Can you book further out than in on the Virgin Website via phone or some other way. I noticed that a lot of award flights on the last day of the booking window are already sold out (London Brisbane).
Hi Ray,
Different airlines release award seats on different dates. The Virgin Australia booking calendar ‘opens’ 330 days from the current day, so what you see on the website is what we can all book right now.
So you have to work out when you want to fly and when that 330 days window would open up, you can google Time And Date to work out when it is 330 days from your desired travel date.
And book as soon as the seats are released, because you might find that many people would be doing the same thing due to pricing changes.
With these changes is it now closer to even to book Singapore Airlines through Velocity rather than converting the points to Krisflyer?
Hi Woodyren,
Simply answer is yes it does.
For example.
From June 01, for business class on Singapore Airlines from Sydney to London will cost 139,000 velocity points + approx $84 in fuel surcharges and taxes.
In comparison, Singapore Airlines charges 95,000 + approx $489 in fuel surcharges and taxes.
Or 80,750 points if you booked online with 15% discount.
If you transferred Velocity points to Krisflyer, the points required is around 109,013.
So you have to weigh up whether you want to shell out 30,000 points extra and pay lower taxes of $84.
or
Save the 30,000 points by transferring to Singapore Airlines and pay $489 in surcharges.