Negative aircraft changes coming to Emirates services to/from Australia: what to do

How to use Qantas Points for Emirates flights

GUIDE: Using Points
DIFFICULTY: Intermediate
TIME TO READ: 7 minutes
POSTED: October 3, 2018
UPDATED: October 10, 2018
LOYALTY PROGRAMS: Qantas Frequent Flyer

Emirates is the largest foreign airline servicing Australia, carrying almost one out of every ten passengers in and out of the country. In this guide, we explain why using your Qantas Points on Emirates flights to New Zealand, Southeast Asia, Dubai and beyond is a great option.

And it isn’t hard—here’s a quick look at the Emirates route network, the kind of pricing to expect, and how to go about researching and booking points availability with ‘EK’.

Changes coming from later this month

Adelaide – Dubai

  • Currently: Boeing 777-300ER
  • Change: Boeing 777-200LR from 28 October to 30 November 2018 and 1 February to 15 April 2019
  • Winners: Business Class passengers get the ‘latest’ Business Class seat in a 2-2-2 configuration rather than 2-3-2

  • Losers: First Class disappears but will still fly 1 December 2018 to 31 January 2019 and 16 April 2019 onwards

Sydney – Bangkok

  • Currently: Airbus A380
  • Change: Boeing 777-300ER from 15 January 2019 onwards
  • Winners: none
  • Losers: First Class loses the onboard shower on the A380; Business Class passengers go from a lie-flat, direct-aisle-access seat to an angled-flat seat in 2-3-2 configuration; loss of onboard bar for both First and Business Class passengers

Business Class passengers travelling from Sydney/Melbourne to Southeast Asia will downgrade from the A380 seat…

…to this one

Nonstop Sydney – Dubai and Sydney – Christchurch A380 services are not affected.

Melbourne – Singapore

  • Currently: Airbus A380
  • Change: Boeing 777-300ER from 2 to 20 November 2018 and 15 January to 30 March 2019 (but schedule is showing this change is still in effect after 30 March)
  • Winners: none
  • Losers: same as Sydney above

Goodbye, onboard bar

Nonstop Melbourne – Dubai A380 services are not affected.

Perth

No aircraft changes but reduction in frequency over the northern winter period.

Brisbane

No changes.

My advice

With the only winners being Business Class passengers from Adelaide, if you have already booked a ticket through Emirates or with Skywards miles, contact Emirates to discuss alternative options; if you have booked with Qantas Points or using cash as a codeshare service, contact Qantas.

If you are considering using your Qantas Points on one of these redemptions, read the reviews below to get a realistic idea of what to expect from the product/s and, if you can delay your trip until a better product is servicing the route you want to fly on, then you may choose to do that.

The Emirates route network and fleet

Emirates have an extensive route network servicing Australia:

FromToFrequency and aircraft
SydneyDubai2x daily on A380 (sometimes third daily 777 flight)
SydneyChristchurch1x daily on A380
SydneyBangkok1x daily on A380 (downgrade to 777 from 15 January 2019)
MelbourneDubai2x daily on A380
MelbourneSingapore1x daily on A380 (downgrade to 777 from 2-20 November 2018 and January 15 to 30 March 2019)
BrisbaneDubai1x daily on A380; 1x daily on 777
BrisbaneSingapore1x daily on 777
PerthDubai1x daily on A380; 1x daily on 777
AdelaideDubai1x daily on 777

The functionally excellent Emirates route map can be found here.

Note that some Emirates A380 flights in other regions can sometimes operate a configuration without a First Class cabin, cramming in over 550 Economy seats, but that isn’t applicable to flights into and out of Australia.

Emirates First and Business Class products

Emirates First Class is one of the best in the world and there isn’t much difference between the actual seat on the Airbus A380 and Boeing 777 but the latter does lack an onboard shower and bar.

The tradeoff is that there are only eight First Class seats on the 777 compared to almost double that (14) on the A380, so you may receive more attentive service on the older aircraft.

Emirates A380 First Class overview

Business Class is where there is a big difference. The A380 is set up in a 1-2-1 configuration and all beds are lie-flat:

Emirates A380 Business Class overview

whereas the 777 has angled-flat seats in a much more cramped 2-3-2 configuration:

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Emirates Boeing 777 Business Class review

Note that Emirates have unveiled a First and Business Class products on its 777 fleet but the rollout will be very slow, so it is much more likely you will be flying on one of the two aircraft above.

New Emirates 777 First Class

New Emirates 777 Business Class

Qantas Points pricing for Emirates flights

Emirates is a key joint venture partner for Qantas so the points pricing for Emirates flights when using Qantas Points is the same as if you were flying with Qantas on the same route.

Of course, Qantas don’t fly many of the routes that Emirates fly—that is why they are partners—but that pricing is equivalent, unlike many of Qantas’ oneworld airline partners like Cathay Pacific or British Airways, which would be comparatively more expensive.

You’ll need to look at the Qantas Points redemption tables to see the full list of prices—look at the Qantas Classic Flight Reward which is valid for Qantas, Airnorth, Air Vanuatu, American Airlines, Emirates and Fiji Airways flights.

The simpler way to calculate points pricing though is to use Qantas’ own points calculator, which you can find here.

Here are some of the price-points for the key routes mentioned above:

RouteQantas Points one-way
EconomyBusiness ClassFirst Class
Australia - NZ, e.g. Sydney - Christchurch18,00036,00054,000
Australia - Asia, e.g. Melbourne/Brisbane - Singapore28,00060,00090,000
East Coast - Dubai45,00090,000135,000
Adelaide - Dubai40,00080,000120,000
Perth - Dubai35,00070,000105,000

With Emirates, it can absolutely make sense—in terms of travel time and routings—to fly beyond Dubai and travel onwards to Europe (definitely), Africa (especially North and Central African countries), South or North America (especially if departing from the Aussie West Coast, or travelling to the US East Coast).

For the longest multi-flight itineraries (9,601-15,000 miles), you will spend a maximum of 128,000 Qantas Points in Business Class or 192,000 Qantas Points for Emirates First Class.

So that is for itineraries (with no stopovers) such as:

  • Sydney – Dubai – New York
  • Melbourne – Dubai – London
  • Perth – Dubai – Rio de Janeiro

Taxes and fees are comparable to what you’d pay for a Qantas flight redemption—so they’re not cheap.

When you shouldn’t use Qantas Points to fly with Emirates

Where you won’t be able to use Qantas Points effectively to fly with Emirates is, of course, where it doesn’t make economical sense to do so in terms of time and points spent. Outside of Bangkok and Singapore to North and Southeast Asian destinations or China, or from the Aussie East Coast to US West Coast, for example.

As a result, if you spot a good deal on a paid Economy fare, that’s probably going to be better value than using points for Economy travel (as it will include the taxes in the price you’re paying). That’s not to say using points for Economy flights is never good value—in some cases, it definitely can if paid fares are high on a particular route or in peak periods.

But this is why we focus our best uses of points on Business and First Class—as paid fares are much, much higher in those cabins, so while you need more points to redeem for them, you’ll get a much higher value cents per point value out of your points—and it’s a much more fun way to travel too, if you can earn and save the points with this in mind.

Note that you cannot use Qantas Points to upgrade Emirates tickets purchased with cash.

How to research and book Emirates flights using Qantas Points

All this information is well and good, but you need to be able to act on it and make the purchase. Thankfully, Qantas.com is generally an excellent search tool for Emirates award flights.

Emirates award seats should appear to Qantas members 330 days before departure but I have seen up to 335 days, so it may pay to check a little early.

I prefer starting by going straight to the Qantas.com multi-city search tool here, regardless of whether I am searching for a multi-city itinerary.

Make sure you check the box to show Classic Flight Reward cities, and to Search Classic Flight Rewards.
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If you want a flexible date search, check that box too—but this can be annoying if you aren’t actually flexible with your dates, as it adds an extra step to get to the actual flight results.
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On clicking Search, you’ll then be prompted to log in with Qantas Frequent Flyer account credentials, and then you can start seeing flight results. In this example, I am looking at Sydney to Dubai in just a few weeks time.

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Flights that begin with the EK airline code, e.g. EK419, are operated by Emirates. Qantas.com also clearly states this, and has a small Emirates logo icon in the results too.

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Something you should look at closely, especially when searching for Sydney and Melbourne departures, is the number of stops on the routes returned. This is in small text near the flight details.

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With Emirates operating flights from Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane to Dubai that also stop in Southeast Asia, if you want to go to Dubai or beyond then those one-stoppers are not desirable—unless you feel like ‘maximising’ your time and fun in Emirates Business or First Class.

From here, if you have enough Qantas Points in your account you can then get a quote for the taxes and fees along with the required points. If you don’t have enough points in your account yet, give Qantas a call to find out and scope out the additional costs so you’re fully prepped.

Summing up

Qantas, to their credit, have made using Qantas Points for Emirates flights very simple and attractively-priced compared to their own flights as a key Qantas Frequent Flyer partner.

Targeting your points earn strategies and redemption goals toward Emirates flights to Asia, Europe, New Zealand or even the US is a great way to maximise the return from your Qantas Points.

And for inspiration, here are some of the cheapest Qantas Points redemptions for luxurious Emirates flights.

Have you had any great experiences from using your Qantas Points from Emirates? Let us know in the comments!

Negative aircraft changes coming to Emirates services to/from Australia: what to do was last modified: October 10th, 2018 by Matt Moffitt