Sydney to Auckland switches from Emirates A380 to Qantas A330 from next month: First Class disappears

How to use Qantas Points for Emirates flights

GUIDE: Using Points
DIFFICULTY: Intermediate
TIME TO READ: 5 minutes
POSTED: June 1, 2017
UPDATED: June 2, 2017
LOYALTY PROGRAMS: Qantas Frequent Flyer

One of the best uses of Qantas Points has just gotten harder to redeem, with this Emirates daily A380 service with excellent First and Business Class offerings being cut with quite short notice.

However, there is a silver lining in Qantas upgrading two of its daily services to Airbus A330s with an excellent lie-flat Business Class product.

Emirates is the largest foreign airline servicing Australia, carrying almost one out of every ten passengers in and out of the country, so using your Qantas Points on Emirates flights to New Zealand, Southeast Asia, Dubai and beyond is a great option.

And it isn’t hard – here’s a quick look at the Emirates route network, the kind of pricing to expect, and how to go about researching and booking points availability with ‘EK’.

Update: Sydney – Auckland switches from Emirates A380 to Qantas A330

From 13 July 2017, the daily Emirates flight between Sydney and Auckland is being discontinued due to poor demand.

This flight was one of the easiest ways to redeem 54,000 Qantas Points one-way for an excellent First Class experience with access to the Qantas First Class Lounge in Sydney prior to your flight, plus an individual suite, onboard shower and inflight bar in the air (although some report the shower hasn’t been in operation due to the short duration of the flight.)

Emirates A380 Trans-Tasman First Class overview

The Business Class offering was a spacious, stylish and comfortable product for the short hop across the Tasman, costing only 36,000 Qantas Points.

Emirates A380 Trans-Tasman Business Class overview

If you’re booked on one of these flights, contact Emirates to be re-accommodated on a Qantas flight.

Do note that there have been no announcements with regards to Emirates’ other A380 services to New Zealand, servicing Sydney – Christchurch and Melbourne/Brisbane – Auckland, or its thrice-daily A380 services between Sydney and Dubai (with one of those going via Bangkok.)

It’s not all bad news, though, as Emirates’ partner Qantas will upgrade two of its daily Boeing 737 services with recliner seats to its newer Airbus A330-200 aircraft with lie-flat Business Class seats from 13 July, costing the same at 36,000 Qantas Points.

This is a fantastic product and you can read more in our review of Qantas A330 Business Class.

The Emirates route network and fleet

Emirates have an extensive route network servicing Australia:

FromToFrequency and aircraft
SydneyDubai2x daily on A380
SydneyAuckland1x daily on A380 (discontinued from 13 July 2017)
SydneyChristchurch1x daily on A380
SydneyBangkok1x daily on A380
MelbourneDubai2x daily on A380 and 777; both A380 from 25 March 2018
MelbourneAuckland1x daily on A380
MelbourneSingapore1x daily on A380
BrisbaneDubai1x daily on A380; increases to 2x daily from 1 December 2017 (1x A380 and 1x 777)
BrisbaneAuckland1x daily on A380
BrisbaneSingapore1x daily on 777
PerthDubai2x daily on A380 and 777
AdelaideDubai1x daily on 777

The functionally excellent Emirates route map can be found here.

Note that some Emirates A380 flights in other regions can sometimes operate a configuration without a First Class cabin, cramming in over 550 Economy seats, but that isn’t applicable to flights into and out of Australia.

Emirates First and Business Class products

Emirates First Class is one of the best in the world and there isn’t much difference between the actual seat on the Airbus A380 and Boeing 777 but the latter does lack an onboard shower and bar.

The tradeoff is that there are only eight First Class seats on the 777 compared to almost double that (14) on the A380, so you may receive more attentive service on the older aircraft.

Emirates A380 First Class overview

Business Class is where there is a big difference. The A380 is set up in a 1-2-1 configuration and all beds are lie-flat:

Emirates A380 Business Class overview

whereas the 777 has angled-flat seats in a much more cramped 2-3-2 configuration:

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Emirates Boeing 777 Business Class review

Qantas Points pricing for Emirates flights

Emirates is a key joint venture partner for Qantas so the points pricing for Emirates flights when using Qantas Points is the same as if you were flying with Qantas on the same route.

Of course, Qantas don’t fly many of the routes that Emirates fly – that’s why they are partners – but that pricing is equivalent, unlike many of Qantas’ oneworld airline partners like Cathay Pacific or British Airways, which would be comparatively more expensive.

You’ll need to look at the Qantas Point redemption tables to see the full list of prices – look at the Qantas Classic Flight Reward which is valid for Qantas, Airnorth, Air Vanuatu, American Airlines, Emirates and Fiji Airways flights.

The simpler way to calculate points pricing though is to use Qantas’ own points calculator, which you can find here.

Here are some of the price-points for the key routes mentioned above:

RouteQantas Points Needed - One Way
EconomyBusiness ClassFirst Class
Australia - NZ, e.g. Melbourne - Auckland180003600054000
Australia - Asia, e.g. Sydney - Bangkok280005600084000
East Coast - Dubai4500090000135000
Adelaide - Dubai4000080000120000
Perth - Dubai3500070000105000

With Emirates, it can absolutely make sense (in terms of travel time and routings) to fly beyond Dubai and travel onwards to Europe (definitely), Africa (especially North and Central African countries), South or North America (especially if departing from the Aussie West Coast, or travelling to the US East Coast).

For the longest multi-flight itineraries (over 9,601 miles, up to 15,000 miles) you will spend a maximum of 128,000 Qantas Points in Business Class or 192,000 Qantas Points for Emirates First Class.

So that’s for itineraries (with no stopovers) such as:

  • Sydney – Dubai – New York
  • Melbourne – Dubai – London
  • Perth – Dubai – Rio de Janeiro

Taxes and fees are comparable to what you’d pay for a Qantas flight redemption – so they’re not cheap.

When you shouldn’t use Qantas Points to fly with Emirates

Where you won’t be able to use Qantas Points effectively to fly with Emirates is, of course, where it doesn’t make economical sense to do so in terms of time and points spent. Outside of Bangkok and Singapore to North and Southeast Asian destinations or China, or from the Aussie East Coast to US West Coast, for example.

As a result, if you spot a good deal on a paid Economy fare, that’s probably going to be better value than using points for Economy travel (as it will include the taxes in the price you’re paying). That’s not to say using points for Economy flights is never good value – in some cases, it definitely can if paid fares are high on a particular route or in peak periods.

But this is why we focus our best uses of points on Business and First Class – as paid fares are much, much higher in those cabins, so while you need more points to redeem for them, you’ll get a much higher value cents per point value out of your points – and it’s a much more fun way to travel too, if you can earn and save the points with this in mind.

How to research and book Emirates flights using Qantas Points

All this information is well and good, but you need to be able to act on it and make the purchase. Thankfully, Qantas.com is generally an excellent search tool for Emirates award flights.

I prefer starting by going straight to the Qantas.com multi-city search tool here, regardless of whether I am searching for a multi-city itinerary.

Make sure you check the box to show “Classic Flight Reward cities”, and to “Search Classic Flight Rewards”.
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If you want a flexible date search, check that box too – but this can be annoying if you aren’t actually flexible with your dates, as it adds an extra step to get to the actual flight results.
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On clicking Search, you’ll then be prompted to log in with Qantas Frequent Flyer account credentials, and then you can start seeing flight results. In this example I am looking at Sydney to Dubai in just a few weeks time.

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Flights that begin with the EK airline code, e.g. EK419, are operated by Emirates. Qantas.com also clearly states this, and has a small Emirates logo icon in the results too.

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Something you should look at closely, especially when searching for Sydney and Melbourne departures, is the number of stops on the routes returned. This is in small text near the flight details.

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With Emirates operating flights from Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane to Dubai that also stop in Southeast Asia, if you want to go to Dubai or beyond then those one-stoppers are not desirable – unless you feel like ‘maximising’ your time and fun in Emirates Business or First Class.

From here, if you have enough Qantas Points in your account you can then get a quote for the taxes and fees along with the required points. If you don’t have enough points in your account yet, give Qantas a call to find out and scope out the additional costs so you’re fully prepped.

Summing up

Qantas, to their credit, have made using Qantas Points for Emirates flights very simple and attractively priced compared to their own flights as a key Qantas Frequent Flyer partner.

Targeting your points earn strategies and redemption goals toward Emirates flights to Asia, Europe, New Zealand or even the US is a great way to maximise the return from your Qantas Points.

Have you had any great experiences from using your Qantas Points from Emirates? Let us know in the comments!

Sydney to Auckland switches from Emirates A380 to Qantas A330 from next month: First Class disappears was last modified: June 2nd, 2017 by Keith